President Trump has put diversity, equity, and inclusion in his crosshairs — but there's no consensus on what DEI even means. And some say that fuzziness is the point, and that the current anti-DEI push is part of a larger plan to undo the gains made by the Civil Rights Movement.

This episode was produced by Jess Kung and Xavier Lopez. It was edited by Courtney Stein. Our engineer was Jimmy Keeley.